Geek Girls Rule! #25.5 – More Critique on the Critique of Feminist Critique of Comics.

Say that three times fast.

Anyway, I essentially wanted to address two quick points. 

1.  Rachel pointed out that my list could discriminate against some folks I don’t wish to discriminate against, so here is the updated version:
                    1.  Do you identify as Female?

I don’t mean “identify WITH females” I mean “Identify AS female.”  Are you either biologically OR gender-wise female.  If not, then step off for a second before you go marginalizing everything we say because it makes you “feel bad.”

And that leads me to Point 2:  Perhaps if women pointing out that there’s exploitive and misogynistic bullshit going on in comics makes you feel bad or attacked, then maybe, just maybe, on a subconscious level, you know it’s fucked up even as you desperately try to justify how it isn’t. 

Really, you need to let go and realize that you can love something even with all it’s faults.  Adults do that.  It’s ok. 

Also, if every time you say something to any female blogger you get “hostile” responses, I’d take a look in the mirror, sunshine.  There’s only one constant here, and it ain’t us.  Contrary to popular belief, we aren’t a “hive-mind” and we don’t all think alike.  We are individual people with different life experiences and backgrounds.   A lot of times I read other female comic bloggers and roll my eyes so hard they threaten to fall out of my head.  And I’m more than sure some of them feel the same about me.  

It’s just like I told a friend of mine who was bitching about her latest boyfriend being a lousy lay after they broke up, like she did about EVERY guy she ever broke up with. 

I looked her in the eye and said, “You know, sweetie.  I’ve slept with a fairly representative sample of guys and I have to say, I’ve not had NEAR the number of lousy lovers that you seem to rack up.  So, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that since you’re the only constant, and you get out of sex what you put into it about three quarters of the time, I’m gonna suggest that maybe the problem here is you.”

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6 thoughts on “Geek Girls Rule! #25.5 – More Critique on the Critique of Feminist Critique of Comics.

  1. “Also, if every time you say something to any female blogger you get “hostile” responses, I’d take a look in the mirror, sunshine.

    Phew! Fortunately, I’ve been able to have plenty of great conversations with female bloggers! Thanks for easing my mind!

  2. And that leads me to Point 2: Perhaps if women pointing out that there’s exploitive and misogynistic bullshit going on in comics makes you feel bad or attacked, then maybe, just maybe, on a subconscious level, you know it’s fucked up even as you desperately try to justify how it isn’t.

    ==================================================================Perhaps. Or perhaps we’re just sick of the bitcthing? Maybe we’re just sick of hearing innocent cheesecake referred to as misogynistic on a regular basis? Maybe were sick and tired of the double standard when it comes to whether particular content is asumed to be enjoyed by women or men?

  3. So the blogs of angry feminist comic fans are the only blogs out there? It’s all fine and dandy if you don’t agree with us, but actively seeking us out to tell us we’re wrong seems a little weird pathological.

    There’s I reason that I don’t go to either your blog or Scott’s. I’ve read you once or twice and there’s nothing there for me. Just as there’s nothing here for you.

    However, in the big game of superhero comics, the Big Two really are about the only game in town. Don’t get me wrong, I like the indies as well but they don’t give me everything I’m looking for. And I’m not saying no cheesecake. I like cheesecake. I dig chicks. Big fan of teh bewbies, me. However, what I don’t like is that there is one stock body type for women, and when they consistently have them act out of character.

    Tygra’s a fucking Avenger, she should have at least TRIED to defend herself. And before you ask, yes, I do know how much a broken nose hurts. I’ve broken mine. Repeatedly. And she’s a fucking kick-ass were-tiger. How the hell does that translate into just taking a beating like she’s the “slut” in a slasher film?

  4. Well, then you haven’t seen the multiple posts I’ve made on Melissa Krause’s blog. Of course, you’d also be unware of the private emails we had between each other. Apparently, you also missed that discussion that Cheryl Lynn and I had that was linked to several times on WFA. It was also linked to at Journalista and another blog that specifically pointed it out as a rational and interesting conversation that didn’t devolve into personal attacks or maliciousness. You missed the conversations that Brokenporcelinedoll and I have had on her blog where she says that she doesn’t understand why people keep popping onto her blog to say that I’m troll when we have interesting, non-troll conversations. You missed my posts on Laura Hudson’s blog. You missed my conversation wth Alex Remy on her and my blog. I don’t really care if you read my blog or not, but if you go there, I think you’ll find that I’ve had some discussions with female feminists comci bloggers that aren’t creepy.

    I know I can be annoying but I’m not the monster that some people think I am.

    Oh, and there is something here for me on your blog. I don’t agree with everything you write, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think about it or change my mind about things. I don’t come here to confirm my ideas, but to challenge them.

  5. I don’t think you’re a monster. I think you tend to marginalize the feelings of others. Granted you may not mean to, but I am not the only person who reads you that way. And I think you have a tendency to not read what I actually write, but to read bits and extrapolate. For all my bombast and exagerration, I’m actually quite precise about what I write and how. You can’t skip words and still get it. I’m really easy to take out of context, and I’m coming to realize that. But I’m not going to change my writing style. Maybe that makes me an intellectual elitist.

    And I’ve been guilty of not reading everything someone wrote, and blasting them. AND when I’ve had it pointed out to me, I’ve gone back and read it and apologized voluminously when I realized what I’ve done. If someone tells me I misunderstood (either willfully or honestly) I will go back and re-read it over and over. Sometimes I admit, “Yeah, I fucked up” or sometimes I will say, “You know, that may not be what you MEANT to say, but it actually is what you said.” But I try to be very precise, occasionally inflammatory, but precise.

    And I’m glad you get something from my blog, seriously. Not even being a little bit snide.

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